1 00:00:11,740 --> 00:00:09,730 on this episode of skeptical but the 2 00:00:13,690 --> 00:00:11,750 thing is and this is really highlighting 3 00:00:16,209 --> 00:00:13,700 in my film a science is based on 4 00:00:17,770 --> 00:00:16,219 assumptions some of them are wrong let's 5 00:00:19,750 --> 00:00:17,780 replace some of those archaic 6 00:00:22,750 --> 00:00:19,760 assumptions with some new ones at just 7 00:00:24,850 --> 00:00:22,760 you can you can just huh let's just 8 00:00:27,610 --> 00:00:24,860 assume consciousness is fundamental wow 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:27,620 what kind of how can we free man dree 10 00:00:32,470 --> 00:00:29,410 bracket all the questions were asking 11 00:00:35,250 --> 00:00:32,480 let's assume the universe has meaning 12 00:00:40,329 --> 00:00:35,260 let's assume that it's not meaningless 13 00:00:43,270 --> 00:00:40,339 what a crazy metaphysical assumption and 14 00:00:45,819 --> 00:00:43,280 these guys spew it out like it's you 15 00:00:48,369 --> 00:00:45,829 know fat who how have we proven by 16 00:00:50,709 --> 00:00:48,379 observation or experimentation that the 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:50,719 universe is meaningless we haven't as 18 00:01:04,750 --> 00:00:54,170 far as I know stay with us for skeptic 19 00:01:08,570 --> 00:01:06,920 welcome to skeptic oh where we explore 20 00:01:10,790 --> 00:01:08,580 controversial science with leading 21 00:01:13,730 --> 00:01:10,800 researchers thinkers and their critics 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:13,740 on this episode of skeptic Oh a promo 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:16,770 interview gone wrong or maybe gone right 24 00:01:23,090 --> 00:01:20,010 let me explain I originally contacted 25 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:23,100 Frank who guard about his really quite 26 00:01:28,490 --> 00:01:25,860 amazing series of films beyond me beyond 27 00:01:31,250 --> 00:01:28,500 reason and his new films on extended 28 00:01:33,590 --> 00:01:31,260 consciousness and healing and I expected 29 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:33,600 to do just kind of a short promo that I 30 00:01:39,830 --> 00:01:35,940 would insert into a skeptical episode 31 00:01:41,510 --> 00:01:39,840 but as it was going on and certainly in 32 00:01:43,250 --> 00:01:41,520 the editing of it I realized that there 33 00:01:45,380 --> 00:01:43,260 was a lot of information here that I 34 00:01:47,810 --> 00:01:45,390 thought was worth sharing and it was 35 00:01:50,630 --> 00:01:47,820 exciting and an interesting dialogue and 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:50,640 I just couldn't cut it out and not give 37 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:52,290 it to you so it's a little bit 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:54,720 unstructured there's about 12 minutes at 39 00:01:59,090 --> 00:01:57,090 the beginning that I assumed I would cut 40 00:02:02,060 --> 00:01:59,100 out so it's kind of just jumping into 41 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:02,070 topics without much introduction so in 42 00:02:06,620 --> 00:02:04,170 this interview we talked about not only 43 00:02:09,010 --> 00:02:06,630 his films and about extended 44 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:09,020 consciousness but we also talked about 45 00:02:14,450 --> 00:02:12,060 materialism and the state of science as 46 00:02:16,850 --> 00:02:14,460 we know it and how science really is 47 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:16,860 stuck in the dogmatism that we talked 48 00:02:20,830 --> 00:02:19,080 about so much on this show and how Frank 49 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:20,840 has discovered this connection between 50 00:02:25,340 --> 00:02:24,210 materialism and materialism we also 51 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:25,350 talked a little bit about the 52 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:27,510 implications of some of this for 53 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:30,120 medicine in particular and some very 54 00:02:34,970 --> 00:02:32,490 interesting advances in genetic that 55 00:02:36,530 --> 00:02:34,980 Frank has discovered along the way as I 56 00:02:38,630 --> 00:02:36,540 said it's kind of a free ranging 57 00:02:41,090 --> 00:02:38,640 discussion it gets a little bit loose at 58 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:41,100 times but but since I don't usually 59 00:02:45,230 --> 00:02:43,170 publish these kind of interviews and 60 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:45,240 these kind of just loose dialogues I 61 00:02:50,620 --> 00:02:47,850 thought it might be a nice change of 62 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:50,630 pace so here it is I hope you enjoy my 63 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:53,310 conversation with filmmaker Frank here 64 00:03:00,710 --> 00:02:56,640 you know you know what I thought we'd do 65 00:03:03,710 --> 00:03:00,720 is you know do really kind of a five to 66 00:03:05,449 --> 00:03:03,720 ten minute promo I don't know that we 67 00:03:06,949 --> 00:03:05,459 want to do a full I don't think I want 68 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:06,959 to do a full interview on this because I 69 00:03:10,670 --> 00:03:09,330 just want to kind of slide it in with 70 00:03:12,830 --> 00:03:10,680 something else I want to let people know 71 00:03:15,620 --> 00:03:12,840 that it's out there point them to it you 72 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:15,630 do an excellent job but 73 00:03:20,750 --> 00:03:18,330 I think that's probably a good fit for 74 00:03:24,110 --> 00:03:20,760 what I'm trying to do on skip to go that 75 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:24,120 sound okay sure just fine is there any 76 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:26,310 context to this as far as the rest of 77 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:28,770 the show on this particular airing date 78 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:32,040 no not that I not that I have planned 79 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:33,690 i'll try and get it in with something 80 00:03:42,260 --> 00:03:38,730 good but other than that I mean my basic 81 00:03:45,140 --> 00:03:42,270 approach is that you know here's a guy 82 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:45,150 who's tackling some really tough issues 83 00:03:49,730 --> 00:03:47,370 of consciousness science and 84 00:03:54,110 --> 00:03:49,740 spirituality and I think that's what's 85 00:03:57,020 --> 00:03:54,120 really unique about what you do is I 86 00:03:59,050 --> 00:03:57,030 mean you get down and dirty with 87 00:04:03,620 --> 00:03:59,060 everything that people might you know 88 00:04:07,130 --> 00:04:03,630 really ask dude wait until you see my 89 00:04:10,610 --> 00:04:07,140 new project the beyond me or no not now 90 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:10,620 beyond its it i'm calling it beyond 91 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:12,930 space and time but right now right now i 92 00:04:18,260 --> 00:04:15,870 have if i took away just the cream of 93 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:18,270 the crop my best interviews the best 94 00:04:24,650 --> 00:04:20,850 sound bites I've got I've got a 10 hour 95 00:04:26,630 --> 00:04:24,660 film I mean I'm d gating down I'm 96 00:04:29,540 --> 00:04:26,640 interviewing cellular biologist and 97 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:29,550 scientific historians you know I've 98 00:04:33,950 --> 00:04:31,890 developed three different theories in 99 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:33,960 the last six months that are all each 100 00:04:38,570 --> 00:04:36,210 one of them is mind-blowing my favorite 101 00:04:42,350 --> 00:04:38,580 is is that when we move we're actually 102 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:42,360 moving backwards in time hi taking out 103 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:45,170 taking a look at retro causation in 104 00:04:49,010 --> 00:04:47,130 conjunction with I don't know if you 105 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:49,020 know if Jim carpenter and his work with 106 00:04:54,380 --> 00:04:52,410 first sight I've heard of it I don't 107 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:54,390 remember it I'll tell my head you know 108 00:05:00,410 --> 00:04:56,730 it's funny the first person that I talk 109 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:00,420 to you who really kind of said that in a 110 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:02,370 really kind of matter-of-fact way is if 111 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:08,370 you ever heard of dr. Julia asante I she 112 00:05:16,580 --> 00:05:11,910 is she is a medium who kind of got her 113 00:05:19,430 --> 00:05:16,590 PhD in an unrelated field but has a an 114 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:19,440 Ivy League PhD but she's a medium and 115 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:22,410 her thing is that she's one of the few 116 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:25,530 mediums I've talked to that said on one 117 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:27,210 hand she said like a really basic thing 118 00:05:31,489 --> 00:05:29,639 that you cover nicely is that 119 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:31,499 throw out the idea of time you know and 120 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:33,810 just throw it out I mean as soon as you 121 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:36,810 accept modern quantum physics and it 122 00:05:41,689 --> 00:05:39,900 we're way past any conception of time so 123 00:05:44,629 --> 00:05:41,699 she goes you know we can let go of this 124 00:05:46,969 --> 00:05:44,639 idea of your previous life you know 125 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:46,979 there then and then they like that you 126 00:05:51,469 --> 00:05:49,710 know and she kind of talks about 127 00:05:53,629 --> 00:05:51,479 simultaneous lot you know that you leave 128 00:05:57,050 --> 00:05:53,639 it leading these lives simultaneously 129 00:05:59,689 --> 00:05:57,060 which then really completely opens the 130 00:06:02,869 --> 00:05:59,699 door to retro causation there's no two 131 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:02,879 ways about it you know sure multiple 132 00:06:06,230 --> 00:06:04,289 dimensions you can be on different 133 00:06:08,209 --> 00:06:06,240 realms simultaneously mean there's no 134 00:06:11,330 --> 00:06:08,219 limits to any of this stuff once you get 135 00:06:13,730 --> 00:06:11,340 your mind around the fact that yeah your 136 00:06:16,129 --> 00:06:13,740 mind is limited you can't really get 137 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:16,139 your mind around it actually but use its 138 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:18,180 and maybe we can talk about this and a 139 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:19,770 little bit of time that we have is that 140 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:23,370 I really think that's awesome and I'm 141 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:24,960 really looking forward to seeing how you 142 00:06:31,129 --> 00:06:28,529 treat that in the movie because in a way 143 00:06:33,829 --> 00:06:31,139 it kind of goes against part of what you 144 00:06:37,519 --> 00:06:33,839 say that I think really resonates which 145 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:37,529 is that's beyond reason you know what I 146 00:06:44,329 --> 00:06:41,969 mean we can't really get there and to 147 00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:44,339 pretend like we really can get to some 148 00:06:51,290 --> 00:06:48,479 kind of satisfying answer in a way might 149 00:06:55,700 --> 00:06:51,300 miss the point as well you know because 150 00:06:58,639 --> 00:06:55,710 the point so go ahead well but reasons 151 00:07:01,300 --> 00:06:58,649 intellect and the intellect can only 152 00:07:04,129 --> 00:07:01,310 operate at the finest five senses level 153 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:04,139 that's not to say that there isn't some 154 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:05,849 other way of knowing that's outside of 155 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:07,409 the intellect so you can get to 156 00:07:12,709 --> 00:07:09,930 satisfactory answers but you have to be 157 00:07:14,809 --> 00:07:12,719 able to get your mind out of the way so 158 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:14,819 you can experience directly as the 159 00:07:21,850 --> 00:07:19,409 observer of everything yeah i mean my 160 00:07:24,649 --> 00:07:21,860 problem there is i mean as we both know 161 00:07:28,159 --> 00:07:24,659 people claim to get there and then come 162 00:07:31,369 --> 00:07:28,169 back with all sorts of contradictory 163 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:31,379 kind of information which i'm okay with 164 00:07:38,389 --> 00:07:34,110 but when we try and pack that back into 165 00:07:40,909 --> 00:07:38,399 something like the truth i think it kind 166 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:40,919 of defeats the purpose of see because 167 00:07:45,179 --> 00:07:43,449 the edge that then i guess i'm at 168 00:07:46,980 --> 00:07:45,189 and I think it's okay to just kind of 169 00:07:48,719 --> 00:07:46,990 let this fly and then we'll see how it 170 00:07:50,969 --> 00:07:48,729 goes in the interview is that sure you 171 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:50,979 know and I hate to say for most people 172 00:07:54,089 --> 00:07:52,330 because that makes it sound like I'm 173 00:07:56,909 --> 00:07:54,099 somehow different i'm just another most 174 00:08:00,089 --> 00:07:56,919 people but i mean i think it's that it's 175 00:08:03,299 --> 00:08:00,099 that edge of just you know let me fully 176 00:08:05,489 --> 00:08:03,309 come to terms with that i am really a 177 00:08:09,299 --> 00:08:05,499 spiritual being i'm not a material being 178 00:08:12,899 --> 00:08:09,309 let me fully come to terms with I'm not 179 00:08:15,260 --> 00:08:12,909 just here now I maternal and you know 180 00:08:17,129 --> 00:08:15,270 put off all the inlaws 181 00:08:20,459 --> 00:08:17,139 intellectualization about everything 182 00:08:22,140 --> 00:08:20,469 else until I fully fully you know 183 00:08:24,809 --> 00:08:22,150 embrace that and start being a better 184 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:24,819 better person in this body you know what 185 00:08:29,070 --> 00:08:27,490 I mean so this next thing I'm working on 186 00:08:30,899 --> 00:08:29,080 to it was going to be a film but now 187 00:08:33,569 --> 00:08:30,909 it's probably going to be five films and 188 00:08:37,199 --> 00:08:33,579 I'm aggressively planning on releasing 189 00:08:42,719 --> 00:08:37,209 all five by June first the whole second 190 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:42,729 film is going to be a a discourse on 191 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:45,370 providing both at the cellular level and 192 00:08:50,850 --> 00:08:47,730 as well as at our whole organism level a 193 00:08:54,449 --> 00:08:50,860 bio physiological basis for being a 194 00:08:58,050 --> 00:08:54,459 spiritual being in other words you're a 195 00:09:01,860 --> 00:08:58,060 spiritual being right and our spirit is 196 00:09:03,870 --> 00:09:01,870 in this julius on and everyone else will 197 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:03,880 tell you we have these subtle energy 198 00:09:10,769 --> 00:09:06,490 fields that's our part of our spiritual 199 00:09:14,850 --> 00:09:10,779 body but the subtle body is part of the 200 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:14,860 material world are going this means in 201 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:16,630 this has to be this just has to be a 202 00:09:21,389 --> 00:09:18,910 fact this means there has to be an 203 00:09:23,579 --> 00:09:21,399 interface between the Met between the 204 00:09:25,740 --> 00:09:23,589 dense and the more subtle layers it 205 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:25,750 can't just happen by magic your cell 206 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:29,290 phone if you don't get a signal you're 207 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:30,490 not going to be able to make a call 208 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:33,250 there's got to be a transceiver on the 209 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:35,290 cell phone that's an input output device 210 00:09:40,199 --> 00:09:37,920 it takes the more subtle energies 211 00:09:43,290 --> 00:09:40,209 transcodes them into something that the 212 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:43,300 cell phone can translate into a voice so 213 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:45,250 your body and this will be covered in 214 00:09:50,220 --> 00:09:47,680 the film I'll be outlying what part of 215 00:09:53,130 --> 00:09:50,230 your body's physiology is an interface 216 00:09:55,380 --> 00:09:53,140 to being a spiritual creature yeah I 217 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:55,390 mean great until that is transcended 218 00:09:59,010 --> 00:09:57,370 right because we have all sorts of 219 00:10:00,600 --> 00:09:59,020 cases where that's transcended right 220 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:00,610 some great spiritual beings as well I 221 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:01,810 don't have to worry about any of that 222 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:04,810 boom you're enlightened or says boom I'm 223 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:06,730 now over here or over there if you 224 00:10:11,310 --> 00:10:08,890 believe those accounts so click I'm over 225 00:10:12,630 --> 00:10:11,320 here and over there exactly so I mean 226 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:12,640 that's the problem I have with that is 227 00:10:17,579 --> 00:10:16,000 like when we when we kind of dumb it not 228 00:10:20,850 --> 00:10:17,589 really dumb it down but when we pack it 229 00:10:23,010 --> 00:10:20,860 into this scientific explanation in 230 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:23,020 order to kind of dress it up and make it 231 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:25,570 sound like hey we're legit here guys you 232 00:10:29,579 --> 00:10:27,310 know this matches up with the stuff i 233 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:29,589 think we run the risk of losing the 234 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:31,600 whole thing it's just like I mean as a 235 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:33,370 slight digression but I always look at 236 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:35,650 pair of psychology which you know tried 237 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:37,930 so hard to say come on let us in the 238 00:10:41,670 --> 00:10:40,570 club guys like a club then they got in 239 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:41,680 the club and they found out they were 240 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:43,690 completely co-opted by the people said 241 00:10:46,769 --> 00:10:45,550 oh yeah you're in the club you know what 242 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:46,779 we're going to put you in your 243 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:50,110 anomalistic psychology your why people 244 00:10:55,650 --> 00:10:52,630 believe weird things why do we want to 245 00:10:57,660 --> 00:10:55,660 play that game why not just sit back and 246 00:11:00,030 --> 00:10:57,670 say you know what you have a nice game 247 00:11:02,850 --> 00:11:00,040 it's done some nice things but it's just 248 00:11:05,010 --> 00:11:02,860 you're looking through the wrong end of 249 00:11:06,870 --> 00:11:05,020 the freakin telescope it's not about 250 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:06,880 that consciousness is somehow 251 00:11:11,940 --> 00:11:09,730 fundamental so all the laws that you're 252 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:11,950 looking at all the cellular biology 253 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:14,650 stuff you're looking at is all ok but 254 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:16,570 it's all got a huge asterisk at the end 255 00:11:20,699 --> 00:11:18,730 of it that says only if consciousness 256 00:11:21,630 --> 00:11:20,709 allows it so it's some little game that 257 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:21,640 you're playing over there you can 258 00:11:24,780 --> 00:11:23,470 measure things not that you asked a 259 00:11:27,449 --> 00:11:24,790 question but that's a great question 260 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:27,459 what I'm producing there's never good 261 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:29,110 there's never been anything like this 262 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:31,870 before that really people are going to 263 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:35,110 say yeah duh it's like I've always known 264 00:11:39,380 --> 00:11:36,790 this but I didn't know that I knew it I 265 00:11:41,850 --> 00:11:39,390 mean we have in our body a 266 00:11:45,150 --> 00:11:41,860 semiconductive liquid crystal fiber 267 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:45,160 optic network that moves that moves data 268 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:47,800 through it at superluminal speeds you 269 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:49,630 know it's like we are spiritual 270 00:11:54,410 --> 00:11:51,490 creatures I mean is it that we're crew 271 00:11:57,030 --> 00:11:54,420 yeah consciousness is fundamental and 272 00:11:58,890 --> 00:11:57,040 meantime we get sick and that the basis 273 00:12:03,540 --> 00:11:58,900 for my new series is all about healing 274 00:12:06,329 --> 00:12:03,550 we get sick we have illnesses socially 275 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:06,339 mentally emotionally physically people 276 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:09,730 have abilities to heal us huh that's 277 00:12:12,860 --> 00:12:10,840 interesting 278 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:12,870 does that happen how is it that somebody 279 00:12:18,510 --> 00:12:16,630 who's got end-stage metastatic cancer 280 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:18,520 can have a spontaneous remission because 281 00:12:22,770 --> 00:12:21,100 somebody waves their arms around you 282 00:12:24,570 --> 00:12:22,780 know I don't believe in miracles or like 283 00:12:26,730 --> 00:12:24,580 Einstein said either everything's a 284 00:12:29,370 --> 00:12:26,740 miracle or nothing's a miracle so what 285 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:29,380 the hell is happening seriously at the 286 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:30,970 bio physiological at the cellular level 287 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:33,910 when somebody does this what's cool 288 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:36,250 what's actually happening it's not kind 289 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:38,050 I don't think its consciousness I don't 290 00:12:41,550 --> 00:12:39,850 think it's you know well but is it if 291 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:41,560 consciousness is fundamental it's all 292 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:43,450 consciousness but I get understood I get 293 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:45,850 where you're coming from but yeah but 294 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:47,050 you get where I'm coming from too 295 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:49,810 absolutely yeah why do why do people 296 00:12:56,250 --> 00:12:53,890 choose to if we accept that part of the 297 00:13:00,210 --> 00:12:56,260 literature why do people choose to take 298 00:13:02,190 --> 00:13:00,220 a life be in a body that is a baby that 299 00:13:04,290 --> 00:13:02,200 dies at six months old with some 300 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:04,300 incurable but why do they do that that's 301 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:06,010 and they come back and they tell us and 302 00:13:09,510 --> 00:13:07,450 I don't accept this on totally face 303 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:09,520 value but I throw it into the mix you 304 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:11,530 know hey that was my life purpose that's 305 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:13,120 what I was supposed to do that's how I 306 00:13:16,470 --> 00:13:14,050 was supposed to interact with these 307 00:13:20,370 --> 00:13:16,480 other people so in that sense you know I 308 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:20,380 mean I'm all for energy healing and all 309 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:23,350 the rest of that but I'm also for what 310 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:25,090 is my what is my life purpose and I'm so 311 00:13:29,100 --> 00:13:26,920 it's a died of cancer you know tomorrow 312 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:29,110 is is that part of is that part of my 313 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:32,320 plan you know I mean both are both both 314 00:13:42,450 --> 00:13:35,290 can be true but only in this sense of 315 00:13:45,570 --> 00:13:42,460 this much it's beyond reason to uh yeah 316 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:45,580 it's fun for me I mean I've had the most 317 00:13:51,060 --> 00:13:47,530 amazing eight months of my life I've 318 00:13:52,590 --> 00:13:51,070 driven 20,000 miles guy I'm going a week 319 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:52,600 from tomorrow I'm drawing binghamton to 320 00:13:56,220 --> 00:13:54,310 England for the third time i'm in North 321 00:13:59,450 --> 00:13:56,230 Carolina I went out to California Oregon 322 00:14:02,490 --> 00:13:59,460 I mean I'm meeting amazing people and 323 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:02,500 just it's just been incredible you know 324 00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:04,330 having conversations like I am with you 325 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:05,800 now and just you know I'm gonna put 326 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:06,910 something out there that's going to be 327 00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:08,650 mind-blowing and what people take with 328 00:14:13,590 --> 00:14:11,440 it you know the people are going to take 329 00:14:17,820 --> 00:14:13,600 with it at the end of the day all I want 330 00:14:19,470 --> 00:14:17,830 is to have you know global peace that's 331 00:14:21,740 --> 00:14:19,480 not that's not too hard we ought to be 332 00:14:23,820 --> 00:14:21,750 able to do that I don't see why not 333 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:23,830 right 334 00:14:27,540 --> 00:14:25,750 okay I'm going to turn off my video and 335 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:27,550 Oh get out we'll do a couple minutes and 336 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:31,030 see how it turns out sure you know oh 337 00:14:36,300 --> 00:14:33,670 gosh till I'm snow I just love the fact 338 00:14:38,730 --> 00:14:36,310 that you're uh you know I've done a 339 00:14:41,790 --> 00:14:38,740 bunch of these and people say well send 340 00:14:43,260 --> 00:14:41,800 me a list of questions and you know this 341 00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:43,270 sounds this is this is a much better 342 00:14:49,980 --> 00:14:46,240 style of interview ah we'll see what you 343 00:14:51,570 --> 00:14:49,990 say at the end no it's all it's all good 344 00:14:54,390 --> 00:14:51,580 i mean i have nothing but good things i 345 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:54,400 hope everybody watches it i'm joined now 346 00:14:59,790 --> 00:14:56,770 by frank Hugin art who is the producer 347 00:15:02,970 --> 00:14:59,800 and I guess the feature presenter in a 348 00:15:06,450 --> 00:15:02,980 rather amazing series of films that you 349 00:15:08,970 --> 00:15:06,460 can find it at beyond me films Oh Frank 350 00:15:10,530 --> 00:15:08,980 thanks so much for joining us and we 351 00:15:14,340 --> 00:15:10,540 were just chatting a little bit about 352 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:14,350 this rather remarkable next series of 353 00:15:19,020 --> 00:15:17,230 films you're coming out with so I guess 354 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:19,030 you should start by telling people a 355 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:21,250 little bit about the whole film series 356 00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:23,590 and what you're working on now because I 357 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:25,630 think it's going to be a perfect fit for 358 00:15:30,570 --> 00:15:27,970 what a lot of skeptical listeners are 359 00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:30,580 interested in in terms of consciousness 360 00:15:35,220 --> 00:15:33,040 science spirituality and all those tough 361 00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:35,230 questions surround up yeah hi Alex 362 00:15:41,010 --> 00:15:36,880 thanks so much for having me on your 363 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:41,020 show yeah I've been dumb you know I have 364 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:42,850 a history it is a software engineer in 365 00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:44,770 Silicon Valley and several years ago I 366 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:47,560 just you know I've been fascinated with 367 00:15:53,070 --> 00:15:49,690 this kind of stuff my entire life I've 368 00:15:57,390 --> 00:15:53,080 had a life long history of precognitive 369 00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:57,400 dreams of psychic experiences so it's 370 00:16:02,670 --> 00:15:58,690 always been something that's been 371 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:02,680 fascinating to me and about six years 372 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:05,110 ago or so I decided to take my 373 00:16:10,110 --> 00:16:06,850 background in software engineering and 374 00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:10,120 start producing some some documentary 375 00:16:15,630 --> 00:16:11,920 films on like you said on science and 376 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:15,640 spirituality and I put out three and 377 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:17,590 they've been but you know much acclaimed 378 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:19,510 you know I've gotten some really nice 379 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:21,850 you know testimonios along the way and 380 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:24,250 people compare them favorably to you 381 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:25,510 know all the other films in the genre 382 00:16:31,380 --> 00:16:28,450 what the bleep and I am and all these 383 00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:31,390 films but let me just interject because 384 00:16:35,730 --> 00:16:33,340 what people will find if they haven't if 385 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:35,740 they haven't run across your films like 386 00:16:40,410 --> 00:16:37,570 beyond reason which is the four 387 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:40,420 one that I watched what they'll find is 388 00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:42,490 that they have kind of at least the 389 00:16:47,190 --> 00:16:44,260 beginning the first ones have kind of a 390 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:47,200 handmade quality not and that's not to 391 00:16:51,810 --> 00:16:49,330 denigrate it you know it's not like a 392 00:16:54,990 --> 00:16:51,820 really cheap YouTube video but it really 393 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:55,000 is like someone who an avid interest in 394 00:17:00,780 --> 00:16:58,090 kind of tackling these really big big 395 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:00,790 questions about Who am I and what about 396 00:17:04,860 --> 00:17:02,800 this consciousness thing and what is 397 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:04,870 science telling me versus what are all 398 00:17:09,660 --> 00:17:06,850 these religious traditions telling me so 399 00:17:11,819 --> 00:17:09,670 you know you mix in some great clips in 400 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:11,829 interviews with some other folks but at 401 00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:14,110 the beginning this feels like a real 402 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:17,589 passion project that you just had to get 403 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:20,290 out on the on the web through YouTube 404 00:17:24,660 --> 00:17:22,089 and I think that's part of the appeal is 405 00:17:28,530 --> 00:17:24,670 that what are people responding to it 406 00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:28,540 partly because of that sure I you know 407 00:17:32,670 --> 00:17:31,120 this was definitely a passion the first 408 00:17:34,740 --> 00:17:32,680 film I did I actually thought I was done 409 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:34,750 in three weeks you know I had approached 410 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:37,450 a few documentary makers in the bay area 411 00:17:42,090 --> 00:17:38,980 that I'd know and they are like well 412 00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:42,100 this can't be done which you know it's 413 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:43,240 the last thing you want to tell me 414 00:17:48,330 --> 00:17:46,690 because then I'll go and do it and and 415 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:48,340 in the end but from the moment i decided 416 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:50,290 to do beyond me which is the one i 417 00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:52,690 started with several years ago to the 418 00:17:58,250 --> 00:17:54,750 time it was released was eight weeks and 419 00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:58,260 yeah the fact that they're handcrafted 420 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:01,360 they're not big bunny big money you know 421 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:05,440 overproduced polished works of you know 422 00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:07,330 big studio productions i think has a 423 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:10,480 certain organic appeal to people great 424 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:12,910 so why don't we tell folks about this 425 00:18:16,950 --> 00:18:14,530 new project you're working on because 426 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:16,960 you're just teeing me up with some of it 427 00:18:21,210 --> 00:18:19,450 and it really sounds exciting you're 428 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:21,220 kind of going to the next level this 429 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:23,290 maybe won't look quite as handmade 430 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:26,110 you've collected I guess just dozens and 431 00:18:31,140 --> 00:18:27,910 dozens of interviews in many many hours 432 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:31,150 with some really smart science folks 433 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:33,010 tell us what's going on with this latest 434 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:36,130 film so I I thought I was done making 435 00:18:39,690 --> 00:18:38,230 films I was i built an organic farm the 436 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:39,700 last few years and i've been doing other 437 00:18:45,150 --> 00:18:42,850 projects and for some reason last summer 438 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:45,160 i just got got this whim to go off and 439 00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:48,160 do something on healing you know if you 440 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:50,080 get if you go to someone you get a Reiki 441 00:18:53,730 --> 00:18:51,010 treatment and you be 442 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:53,740 healed what's happening there you know I 443 00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:55,270 really wanted to know at the cellular 444 00:19:01,740 --> 00:18:57,520 level at the organism level what is 445 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:01,750 actually transpiring and by the time I'm 446 00:19:05,550 --> 00:19:03,700 done interviewing in a few weeks i will 447 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:05,560 have interviewed over 40 people I've 448 00:19:11,790 --> 00:19:09,340 driven over 20,000 miles and I've got 449 00:19:15,390 --> 00:19:11,800 enough footage to make five films and 450 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:15,400 it's really about mind-blowing profound 451 00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:17,050 stuff that I've stumbled across really 452 00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:19,720 looking at the nature of science I'm 453 00:19:26,610 --> 00:19:23,500 reading a book right now just released 454 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:26,620 by James trick on Wilhelm Reich and it 455 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:29,310 has a lot of the history of vitalism 456 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:32,320 materialism how materialism became what 457 00:19:38,730 --> 00:19:35,470 it is today you know there's no it's not 458 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:38,740 a coincidence that science is based on 459 00:19:45,090 --> 00:19:43,330 materialism and the Western society is 460 00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:45,100 materialistic they're one in the same 461 00:19:49,530 --> 00:19:47,200 thing and it's it's absolutely and it's 462 00:19:51,420 --> 00:19:49,540 a disease you know it's been proven I 463 00:19:54,270 --> 00:19:51,430 mean Karl poppers famous for his 464 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:54,280 falsification you know view on science 465 00:19:58,620 --> 00:19:56,110 if the theory can't be falsified it's 466 00:20:00,360 --> 00:19:58,630 not worth it's not worth anything and 467 00:20:03,060 --> 00:20:00,370 science is basically based on this 468 00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:03,070 theory that everything is chemical and 469 00:20:07,530 --> 00:20:04,900 physical irreducible that's materialism 470 00:20:10,050 --> 00:20:07,540 and that there has been proven false and 471 00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:10,060 yet science doesn't science is so 472 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:13,260 dogmatically bought into this idea that 473 00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:16,570 they can't it's it's not a theory to 474 00:20:20,340 --> 00:20:17,980 them that can be disproven they won't 475 00:20:21,660 --> 00:20:20,350 even look at anything that any evidence 476 00:20:23,910 --> 00:20:21,670 or any proof or anything that's 477 00:20:25,530 --> 00:20:23,920 publishes publish that goes beyond us 478 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:25,540 and you and I both know that there's 479 00:20:33,630 --> 00:20:29,530 been countless studies unconsciousness 480 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:33,640 that disprove materialism absolutely and 481 00:20:38,460 --> 00:20:36,400 in Frank we're where will people find 482 00:20:41,130 --> 00:20:38,470 this new film when it's out and i guess 483 00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:41,140 we should point them to beyond me film 484 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:43,150 calm because that's where they can find 485 00:20:47,910 --> 00:20:44,920 your previous films they're very easy to 486 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:47,920 access you can rent them for a couple 487 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:49,690 bucks and all the money goes back into 488 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:51,610 the films right i mean it's not it's a 489 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:54,370 non-for-profit educational venture 490 00:20:58,500 --> 00:20:56,890 that's right i mean i all my film so far 491 00:21:01,440 --> 00:20:58,510 have been self-funded this projects been 492 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:01,450 self-funded if you see my work and you 493 00:21:04,890 --> 00:21:03,490 want to throw in a couple of bucks to 494 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:04,900 help fund a new unders 495 00:21:11,370 --> 00:21:08,950 there's a crowd sir crowdfunding page or 496 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:11,380 you can just just go on Amazon and 497 00:21:15,210 --> 00:21:13,510 purchase a rental of the film's for a 498 00:21:17,910 --> 00:21:15,220 week and that all helps produce more 499 00:21:19,470 --> 00:21:17,920 films great and when will the new one 500 00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:19,480 beyond what's the title of it will that 501 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:21,790 be it beyond me film calm as well yes 502 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:23,770 those are all be I'm hoping to have well 503 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:25,450 let's put it this way something's going 504 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:27,910 to be released bite you in first I'm 505 00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:30,130 hoping to have as many as five films 506 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:32,800 released on Don June first which is my 507 00:21:37,620 --> 00:21:35,440 birthday I'll have at least probably 508 00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:37,630 three of these films put together by 509 00:21:41,970 --> 00:21:40,480 then I'm almost finished with one and 510 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:41,980 then I've got at least two or three more 511 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:45,010 the first one is just a basis for you 512 00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:47,320 know the science of consciousness and 513 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:48,460 then the others are going to go much 514 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:50,050 more into healing and how healing 515 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:51,970 happens and the different modalities of 516 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:54,880 healing great well it's exciting work 517 00:21:58,650 --> 00:21:56,950 and I certainly commend you for doing it 518 00:22:01,470 --> 00:21:58,660 encourage everyone to check it out 519 00:22:03,810 --> 00:22:01,480 beyond me film calm hold on everybody I 520 00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:03,820 thought the interview was over but we 521 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:06,550 actually had a conversation after the 522 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:08,770 interview here's some additional back 523 00:22:15,690 --> 00:22:11,410 and forth that we had after the official 524 00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:15,700 interview was over I interviewed Michael 525 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:18,340 Shermer a couple weeks ago and i wish i 526 00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:21,010 had read or listen to this debate that 527 00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,620 he did with Jeffery Schwartz one spent 528 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:25,600 ten years ago but after I published the 529 00:22:29,670 --> 00:22:27,940 interview with Shurmur I I went back and 530 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:29,680 listened as if you know Jeffery Schwartz 531 00:22:36,090 --> 00:22:32,850 Jeffery Schwartz UCLA school of 532 00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:36,100 psychiatry and psychology OCD so 533 00:22:41,130 --> 00:22:38,710 obsessive compulsive disorder kind of 534 00:22:44,610 --> 00:22:41,140 claim to fame is he was the lead 535 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:44,620 consultant for the Leonardo DiCaprio 536 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:47,640 film that he did Jeffery Schwartz 537 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:51,930 brilliant guy goes and does this 538 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:54,370 extensive research and finds that 539 00:22:59,550 --> 00:22:57,220 mindfulness meditation helps his 540 00:23:01,790 --> 00:22:59,560 patients he goes one step further and 541 00:23:04,410 --> 00:23:01,800 he's one of the leaders in brain imaging 542 00:23:07,950 --> 00:23:04,420 technology and he does this brain 543 00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:07,960 imaging work before brain imaging work 544 00:23:13,650 --> 00:23:10,390 six weeks after the mindfulness 545 00:23:16,650 --> 00:23:13,660 meditation work hey their brains are 546 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:16,660 different how can in material thoughts 547 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:18,730 change a physical 548 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:21,750 structure we can't do that that violates 549 00:23:27,450 --> 00:23:24,910 materialism so these guys do this debate 550 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:27,460 at Caltech or one of those places and 551 00:23:32,340 --> 00:23:30,010 shermer is just the consumer would drive 552 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:32,350 you nuts if you didn't just say I mean 553 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:33,970 the reason I kind of like talk to those 554 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:35,650 guys and everyone else thinks you know 555 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:37,330 why are you talking these atheists and 556 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:39,970 is because hey man that's [\h__\h] 557 00:23:46,049 --> 00:23:43,360 mainstream science that's mainstream 558 00:23:48,030 --> 00:23:46,059 science and I think the more that we say 559 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:48,040 and I don't know that I'm not accusing 560 00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:49,809 you of saying it but I think everyone in 561 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:52,120 our camp sometimes says oh that's not 562 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:54,490 really the mainstream view science is 563 00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,010 moving this way it's not know that is 564 00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,200 the mainstream they're gonna help to 565 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:01,360 that all up for as long as they bloody 566 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:03,730 well can for exactly the reason that you 567 00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:06,330 said our structures are built on 568 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,140 materialism our economic structures are 569 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:12,640 social structures all that's built on 570 00:24:16,289 --> 00:24:14,710 materialism I'm making us really long 571 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:16,299 but the point is in this interview 572 00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:19,450 Schwartz says you know I was talking to 573 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:22,480 this reporter and I explained to her 574 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:25,390 that science would have you believe that 575 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:27,490 the thoughts you're having right now are 576 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:30,010 not your own you're not making any 577 00:24:35,370 --> 00:24:32,410 decisions there's not really a free will 578 00:24:39,330 --> 00:24:35,380 there's an int and he said she looked at 579 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,340 me dumbfounded and said no that can't 580 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:42,400 possibly be true and I think that's 581 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:45,250 where I'm at is just reminding people of 582 00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,370 know that's really that you know this 583 00:24:53,820 --> 00:24:50,559 fight against this big battle against 584 00:24:56,250 --> 00:24:53,830 scientists of like a science is so far 585 00:24:59,039 --> 00:24:56,260 to the extreme of what any reasonable 586 00:25:01,740 --> 00:24:59,049 person would believe like when you did 587 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:01,750 that little thing on materialism I think 588 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:03,730 sometimes people get lost in that I 589 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:06,490 always come back and say no sciences 590 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:10,210 current position is you are a biological 591 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:13,750 robot leading a meaningless life in a 592 00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:16,090 meaningless universe so now you can 593 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:18,910 either accept that or you can accept 594 00:25:22,350 --> 00:25:20,380 something different than i'm going to 595 00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:22,360 offer up but realize that if you reject 596 00:25:27,770 --> 00:25:24,940 what I'm saying then you're implicitly 597 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:27,780 buying into this other thing that a 598 00:25:31,910 --> 00:25:30,250 six-year-old wouldn't even accept yet 599 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:31,920 that's the reality that we live in 600 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:34,530 and everyone's pretty much ignorant to 601 00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:37,850 this yes in other words all of 602 00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:40,860 pharmaceutical or medical ins and and 603 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:44,100 and and you know ionizing radiation 604 00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:47,370 versus non eyeing they all assume you 605 00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:49,020 know I think I think it's so dogmatic 606 00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:52,140 and it's such materialism if you are 607 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:54,950 sitting in a cave over in Afghanistan 608 00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,530 observing this structure in the context 609 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:00,720 of what makes a religion what makes a 610 00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:02,820 belief system what what what's a 611 00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:05,100 theocracy I would I think we should 612 00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:07,860 start a class action suit to stop and 613 00:26:12,050 --> 00:26:10,260 prevent the NSF in the national 614 00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:12,060 institute of health from funding these 615 00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:14,460 people on the grounds of division 616 00:26:19,910 --> 00:26:16,740 between church and state they are so 617 00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:19,920 religious in their dogma and I've talked 618 00:26:26,270 --> 00:26:23,100 to people on this trip young bride 25 619 00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:26,280 year old biologist who just sat there 620 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:29,070 and stared at me and said no its 621 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:31,110 reduction you know I mean these people 622 00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:34,170 are so bleep leaving the system I don't 623 00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:35,700 know if they're indoctrinated with it or 624 00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:38,580 what but this is science and it hasn't 625 00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:41,640 but it hasn't budged an inch it max max 626 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,740 planck and niels bohr and show dunker 627 00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:46,320 and these guys come and go you got you 628 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:48,180 know all these biologists come and go 629 00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:50,370 they haven't budged an end yeah yeah 630 00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:53,430 that's like you know Dean Radin SI his 631 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,470 presentation recently on you know his 632 00:26:58,940 --> 00:26:57,360 thinking it's being a double slit I mean 633 00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,950 I think he's done in some amazing things 634 00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,200 of that double slit experiment but he 635 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,640 presents just this kind of throwaway 636 00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:04,320 point and i hope to interview him again 637 00:27:07,910 --> 00:27:05,520 about this because he throws up this 638 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:07,920 slide and he goes oh and a recent survey 639 00:27:13,220 --> 00:27:11,850 of quantum physicist you know we asked 640 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:13,230 him to explain the double slit 641 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:15,090 experiment and he goes you know thirty 642 00:27:18,860 --> 00:27:16,410 three percent said this today and 643 00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,870 twenty-five percent said yeah maybe its 644 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,880 consciousness is real you know so then 645 00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:23,520 he goes on to so that so his point was 646 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:26,700 these ideas aren't so far out there you 647 00:27:31,790 --> 00:27:29,370 know but my point was to come back and 648 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:31,800 say what's that first group of thirty 649 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:34,410 six percent that says it we should just 650 00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:36,450 ignore that because somehow it has to be 651 00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:38,940 it has to be wrong you know I mean the 652 00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:40,920 ultimate belief statement the ultimate 653 00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:42,990 religious statement is like you know 654 00:27:45,860 --> 00:27:44,580 it's the shut up and calculate thing oh 655 00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:45,870 no just 656 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:48,059 ignore it cuz it there's you did 657 00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:50,130 something wrong well go find out what 658 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:51,360 they did wrong or something but how can 659 00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,130 you just say you know I just ignore that 660 00:27:58,700 --> 00:27:55,200 result you know and it's been like that 661 00:28:00,920 --> 00:27:58,710 for 75 years so there you go yeah well 662 00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:00,930 that was a fine man right don't let your 663 00:28:04,790 --> 00:28:02,400 children grow up to be theoretical 664 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:04,800 physicist you know he basically said 665 00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:07,710 just focus on the applications that and 666 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:09,720 one-third of one-third of our economy 667 00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:11,490 now is based on quantum mechanics its 668 00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:14,520 most successful Theory ever do you know 669 00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,670 what crispers are uh-huh dude look up 670 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:19,200 Chris Peretz it's all it's an acronym 671 00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:22,770 without the es Bella see it's like risk 672 00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,620 CR is PR all right check this out this 673 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:27,900 is mind-blowing so they discover some 674 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:30,950 scientists in Japan looking at genomics 675 00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:33,809 and there's a nice video presentation 676 00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,640 there's I think MIT are Harvard has a 677 00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:37,200 nice video if you just do a YouTube 678 00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,380 video on crisper cast line so they're 679 00:28:45,530 --> 00:28:43,320 looking at ebo like a bacteria and that 680 00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:45,540 bacteria get and they're just looking at 681 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:47,280 they're looking at epigenetics and are 682 00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:48,809 trying to understand what's happening 683 00:28:54,020 --> 00:28:51,720 outside of the chromosome you know you 684 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:54,030 know the methylation demethylation all 685 00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:55,890 these de Charny turning genes on and off 686 00:29:00,740 --> 00:28:57,870 and they observed that these there is 687 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:00,750 these other sequences showing up outside 688 00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:02,370 and they didn't know anything about it 689 00:29:05,270 --> 00:29:03,720 they just published it and here's the 690 00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:05,280 report and so then people started 691 00:29:10,820 --> 00:29:07,470 looking into this and what they realize 692 00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:10,830 is that the e.coli got infected with a 693 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:13,380 virus well in the bacteria is about 50 694 00:29:20,419 --> 00:29:17,250 times larger than a virus the DNA in the 695 00:29:22,580 --> 00:29:20,429 in the e.coli with the kind of 696 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:22,590 sophistication that the NSA would be 697 00:29:29,410 --> 00:29:25,980 proud of hacks into the genome of the 698 00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:29,420 virus uses the RNA to create a duplicate 699 00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:33,870 strand of the virus DNA of a segment of 700 00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:37,110 the virus attaches it to an enzyme it 701 00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,270 converts it to a protein that then at 702 00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:42,240 acid attaches itself you know lockstep 703 00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:44,070 hand and glove into the right sequence 704 00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:47,160 of the virus and slices it in half and 705 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:50,400 kills it and so now of course all these 706 00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,130 bio biotech companies well we've got a 707 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:55,200 gene editor it's the same thing as 708 00:30:00,019 --> 00:29:57,810 quantum mechanics screw how the [\h__\h] 709 00:30:02,029 --> 00:30:00,029 that even happened I mean how 710 00:30:04,849 --> 00:30:02,039 you know without really looking at at at 711 00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,859 a morphogenetic field kind of epigenetic 712 00:30:08,959 --> 00:30:06,960 and saying okay you know the bacteria 713 00:30:10,609 --> 00:30:08,969 learned over in Africa then it gets this 714 00:30:12,229 --> 00:30:10,619 infection over on this side of the 715 00:30:14,659 --> 00:30:12,239 planet we know how to attack this new we 716 00:30:16,969 --> 00:30:14,669 yeah it all make sense in that model in 717 00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:16,979 their materialistic model well we don't 718 00:30:20,419 --> 00:30:18,419 need to understand this but now we can 719 00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:20,429 go now we can go edit jeans now we've 720 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:23,700 got a gene editor it's the it's one of 721 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:26,369 the most amazing things in nature if you 722 00:30:31,099 --> 00:30:28,710 look at the sophistication how the hell 723 00:30:33,829 --> 00:30:31,109 doesn't equal I bacteria know how to 724 00:30:37,099 --> 00:30:33,839 replicate the exact sequence of you know 725 00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:37,109 in the right portion of the DNA of this 726 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:39,299 virus to kill the virus it's amazing 727 00:30:45,829 --> 00:30:42,210 stuff you know though and here's a 728 00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:45,839 question for you that I kind of wonder 729 00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:47,700 is you know I interviewed a guy not too 730 00:30:52,969 --> 00:30:49,830 long ago it's really interesting guy and 731 00:30:56,959 --> 00:30:52,979 he's a healer in Australia and he does 732 00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:56,969 he's ayahuasca kind of guy spent a lot 733 00:31:02,509 --> 00:30:59,580 of years in the Peruvian forest with 734 00:31:05,239 --> 00:31:02,519 some very well-respected shamanistic 735 00:31:07,159 --> 00:31:05,249 kind of guys and what do they get the 736 00:31:09,739 --> 00:31:07,169 name but he's really into music so 737 00:31:13,129 --> 00:31:09,749 here's his thing it's not just the 738 00:31:17,389 --> 00:31:13,139 ayahuasca it's the ayahuasca and the 739 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:17,399 song and some other ritualistic like the 740 00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,289 brushing of these leaves and the sounds 741 00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:22,320 and this other stuff so great and he has 742 00:31:26,299 --> 00:31:24,179 some kind of interesting experiences 743 00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:26,309 with that where he's gone in and and 744 00:31:30,589 --> 00:31:28,409 when these healers tell you it's the 745 00:31:32,959 --> 00:31:30,599 song man it's not just the ayahuasca 746 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:32,969 it's the song he goes in there with this 747 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:34,289 woman from the Australian Broadcasting 748 00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:36,210 Company and they're doing this report 749 00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:38,820 and she says hey it is the song until 750 00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:40,440 the song until they brushed me with the 751 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:42,659 leaf you know boom that's when it 752 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:45,529 happened and I also talked to a guy who 753 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:48,289 named Jack hunter who publishes a 754 00:31:53,959 --> 00:31:51,450 journal called para anthropology right 755 00:31:55,339 --> 00:31:53,969 so it's like outside of anthropology and 756 00:31:57,619 --> 00:31:55,349 he's kind of found this in he's an 757 00:32:00,200 --> 00:31:57,629 anthropologist at a university in the UK 758 00:32:02,269 --> 00:32:00,210 but kind of the same thing you know what 759 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:02,279 when we look at rituals and we kind of 760 00:32:05,539 --> 00:32:04,169 incorporate that in what makes me think 761 00:32:06,859 --> 00:32:05,549 of it as exactly what you're saying with 762 00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:06,869 these what are they called crispers you 763 00:32:11,629 --> 00:32:09,059 know it's like but here's my point 764 00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:11,639 here's my question and all that by the 765 00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:13,590 same token when we 766 00:32:20,890 --> 00:32:17,220 isolate the dmt molecule and you ingest 767 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:20,900 it you do have an experience so it is 768 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:23,730 you know what is really going on you 769 00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:26,130 know I mean if it is the morphic field 770 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:31,380 the ritual the whole thing and it's the 771 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:33,929 you know I mean is the spirit then 772 00:32:38,269 --> 00:32:35,880 saying okay well I'll attach to that 773 00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:38,279 little processed molecule you have over 774 00:32:44,539 --> 00:32:40,400 here but at the same time all you know 775 00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:44,549 beyond reason and maybe we can get their 776 00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,710 part of the way but I don't know what 777 00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:49,679 are your thoughts on on that I mean you 778 00:32:53,899 --> 00:32:52,169 know maybe like like I guess another way 779 00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:53,909 of saying it is you know I'm always a 780 00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:56,220 little bit careful about bashing the 781 00:33:00,769 --> 00:32:58,890 materialists because on the other hand 782 00:33:02,539 --> 00:33:00,779 who the [\h__\h] going to run the world 783 00:33:05,539 --> 00:33:02,549 you know how are you going to my world 784 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:05,549 you know how you it's a crazy system but 785 00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:07,610 come up with a better one you know oh 786 00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:09,750 now we're going to come up with a better 787 00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:12,179 one I mean this what's happening on the 788 00:33:17,659 --> 00:33:15,000 planet right now as far as Isis and guys 789 00:33:20,539 --> 00:33:17,669 this is real work Isis I don't care 790 00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:20,549 about that in the context of what I'm 791 00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:23,190 saying with the amount of light that's 792 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:24,929 coming onto the planet right now the 793 00:33:30,139 --> 00:33:26,850 amount of enthusiasm and the amount of 794 00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,149 youthful exuberance for Iowa score 795 00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:32,820 meditation or spiritual practices I mean 796 00:33:38,510 --> 00:33:35,870 he'll there's Reiki on on you know 797 00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:38,520 unbleached commercials on TV you know 798 00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:40,169 I'm saying like the cultural the 799 00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,600 paradigm shift is happening and as a 800 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:44,820 result of the paradigm shift happening 801 00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:47,580 the dark forces are also you know when 802 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:49,740 you've got these old brittle structures 803 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:52,049 that are starting to come coming down 804 00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:54,690 like a house of cards you're going to 805 00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:56,220 see a lot of ugliness and that's what 806 00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:58,770 we're seeing who Isis is I don't care 807 00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:00,899 they're ugly and that ugliness is part 808 00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:03,270 of what's happening as far as them I 809 00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,779 find you know I'm Bob a student you know 810 00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:08,820 I like to think of myself somewhat as a 811 00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:10,830 spiritual anthropologist and looking at 812 00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:13,409 all the traditions and you look at at 813 00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:17,300 the value of y aguas and homas and 814 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,659 mantras in Eastern traditions it's all 815 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,760 very scientific you know when they do 816 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:26,639 this ceremony it's not a ritual you know 817 00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:27,330 it's 818 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:31,020 sake you know just some sort of thing 819 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:33,450 without really having meaning behind it 820 00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,850 the entire universe is made up of name 821 00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:37,740 and form which is all thought and it's 822 00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:41,040 all vibration so can i smoke some dmt 823 00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:42,750 here and have an experience for 10 824 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:47,550 seconds yeah can I go in be in by to be 825 00:34:54,020 --> 00:34:51,600 in sort of a superorganism colony of of 826 00:34:55,580 --> 00:34:54,030 energy with the shaman who's tempest 827 00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:55,590 before what does that mean that you can 828 00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:58,290 do both once more powerful once more 829 00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:01,140 deeper once more yeah what does it mean 830 00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:04,020 I don't know you can be standing there's 831 00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,270 that there's a word for I forget you can 832 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:08,760 stand next to Buddha and become maybe 833 00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,950 not enlightened but you can you can 834 00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:12,480 vibrate at a much higher level just 835 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:14,190 being near this person does that mean 836 00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:15,540 you need a Buddha get enlightened know 837 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:17,340 you can go do good by yourself it helps 838 00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:20,490 having having a beacon that's there that 839 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:22,200 it just makes sense to me that the 840 00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:24,170 experience can be enhanced 841 00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:26,460 environmentally the subtle lovely makes 842 00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:30,240 sense to me too right does it mean 843 00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:32,220 nothing's happening if I go try it in 844 00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:37,320 the pinna on my basement I don't I don't 845 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:40,230 know I think it's really it gets really 846 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:43,110 tricky it's it's like another part of 847 00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:45,930 your film that I I really like and I 848 00:35:49,340 --> 00:35:47,160 don't know if that's in your new film 849 00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:49,350 but it's like I'm paraphrasing but I can 850 00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:50,760 only bring you up to the edge you know 851 00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:53,460 and and that's what I always say is say 852 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:55,110 I just bring you up to the edge and then 853 00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:57,330 you jump in any direction you want I 854 00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:59,220 don't have any answers but what i can do 855 00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:02,520 is isn't it liberating to say that's all 856 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:04,350 [\h__\h] and you need to be deprogrammed 857 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:07,050 from that that clearly we can kind of 858 00:36:12,590 --> 00:36:10,170 say so where you go forward who knows 859 00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:12,600 but you know because because we can't 860 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:15,060 say you know should you go in really 861 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:17,610 practical terms should you go smoke the 862 00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:19,710 dmt in your basement or should you go to 863 00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,150 Peru I don't know what's the difference 864 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,880 between me who's been meditating for 20 865 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:29,040 years couple times a day and the news 866 00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:31,770 reporter who's never meditated and I 867 00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,060 mean there's a lot of factors in the 868 00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:36,000 equation for so for maybe her who has no 869 00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:37,800 experience in her her nervous system 870 00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:40,740 hasn't been you know refined 871 00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:42,900 you know the brushes and the song makes 872 00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,580 it much more significant difference to 873 00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:46,980 than someone who's actually vibrating at 874 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:49,350 a higher level who knows this is all so 875 00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:51,570 these are all scientific things that can 876 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:53,790 be answered sign as at least using the 877 00:36:59,780 --> 00:36:56,250 methodology of Christ if not answered at 878 00:37:01,880 --> 00:36:59,790 least approached you know exactly yeah 879 00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:01,890 but the thing is and this is really got 880 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:04,800 highlighting in my film you look a 881 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:06,810 science is based on assumptions some of 882 00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,690 them are wrong let's let's replace some 883 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:11,520 of those archaic assumptions with some 884 00:37:16,820 --> 00:37:13,770 new ones it just you can you can just 885 00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,830 huh let's just assume consciousness is 886 00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,680 fundamental wow what kind of how can we 887 00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:21,119 free him Andrey bracket all the 888 00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,740 questions were asked let's assume the 889 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:25,020 universe has meaning or let's at least 890 00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:27,690 assume the right not meaningless I mean 891 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:30,960 I what up right crazy metaphysical 892 00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,170 assumption and these guys spew it out 893 00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:36,960 like it's you know fat who how have we 894 00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:39,300 proven by observation or experimentation 895 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:41,880 that the universe is meaningless we 896 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:44,940 haven't as far as I know and how do i 897 00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:50,010 how do I you know I I call I have 898 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:52,230 something I call interrupt documentary 899 00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,010 poor eat yeah you know I am a concept so 900 00:38:01,250 --> 00:37:58,640 go ahead right just like you know 901 00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:01,260 shooting you know pictures of atom bombs 902 00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,140 and the Ethiopian starving children to 903 00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:06,000 strong emotional response just for the 904 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:08,460 hell of it and I don't do that and you 905 00:38:14,359 --> 00:38:10,170 watch all my films like huh there's none 906 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:14,369 of that edgy uh so how do I say what you 907 00:38:20,060 --> 00:38:17,369 just said without being edgy without any 908 00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:20,070 porn you know and i'll do it but it's 909 00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,140 it's I don't like going there I just 910 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:24,300 like keeping it's not even taking the 911 00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:27,510 high road per se it's just you know I 912 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:30,180 think what you do well as use directly 913 00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:32,609 say it I mean you directly just kind of 914 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:35,070 lay it out there and it's dense I mean 915 00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,770 you don't like kind of right you think 916 00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,320 those are dense which please see stuff 917 00:38:44,359 --> 00:38:42,720 it is so done well that that's what I 918 00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:44,369 feel you know but that's what it takes 919 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:46,680 because none of it gets through our 920 00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,690 filters none of it gets through all my 921 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:51,060 filters or you know so we're just kind 922 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:54,330 of hoping that you know when the 923 00:38:58,660 --> 00:38:56,250 student is ready the teacher appears 924 00:39:02,810 --> 00:38:58,670 right I mean that's what it's all about 925 00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:02,820 are you recording this this would it be 926 00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:06,630 a great show thanks again to Frankie 927 00:39:10,070 --> 00:39:07,800 ganarte for joining me today on 928 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:10,080 skeptical one question i tee up from 929 00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:11,970 this interview and I kind of gave you my 930 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:13,380 answer during the interview but I'd like 931 00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:14,970 to hear what you have to say and that is 932 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:18,240 what is the connection if any between 933 00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:20,970 scientific materialism and the kind of 934 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:23,340 materialistic consumerism that is so 935 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:26,250 prevalent in our society is there a link 936 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:29,730 or is it just in name only so do let me 937 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:31,170 know what you think about that the place 938 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:33,330 to answer is through the skeptical 939 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:38,490 website at ske pti KO kaam you leave a 940 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:40,170 comment there jump over the forum 941 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:42,690 connect with me on facebook or send me 942 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:45,450 an email if you'd like to hear more of 943 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:47,970 these kind of dialogues I suggest you 944 00:39:53,330 --> 00:39:51,210 check out my why science is wrong calm 945 00:39:55,850 --> 00:39:53,340 website and check out some of the 946 00:39:58,220 --> 00:39:55,860 interviews I've done with some other 947 00:40:00,770 --> 00:39:58,230 podcasters including the folks at 948 00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:00,780 mysterious universe or james corbett on 949 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:04,500 his show or Miguel Connor or or Tim 950 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:06,690 bunnell or any of a number of other ones 951 00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,910 that so if you're interested in more of 952 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:11,280 my unrestrained opinions about things 953 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:13,890 like this you got about 10 hours of 954 00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,130 stuff there you can go through if you so 955 00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:19,440 desire in addition to that you can 956 00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,750 expect more of these kind of dialogues 957 00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:23,760 in the future because I am kind of 958 00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:26,280 opening up the interviews on skeptic out 959 00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:28,260 to more people who have kind of a 960 00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:31,020 broader perspective of the field of 961 00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,540 course we will still have interviews 962 00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,480 with leading edge researchers who are 963 00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:38,880 doing interesting stuff on consciousness 964 00:40:43,850 --> 00:40:41,220 and extended consciousness but I'm also 965 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:43,860 going to be mixing in some more dialogue 966 00:40:49,070 --> 00:40:46,650 kind of conversational interviews with 967 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:49,080 some leading thinkers that are looking 968 00:40:54,590 --> 00:40:52,410 more broadly at this field so all that's 969 00:40:57,140 --> 00:40:54,600 coming up a lot of things happening in 970 00:40:59,480 --> 00:40:57,150 the skeptical world I do hope you'll